TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO
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THIS SITE IS AN ON GOING AND IT CHANGES AS I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE BREED AND AKC POLICIES. I HAVE LEARNED A LOT BY BEING THROWN INTO MANY SITUATIONS OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. THE BIGGEST MISPERCEPTION IS THAT AKC IS A REGISTRY OF INTEGRITY. BASED ON ALL THE ARTICLES AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET AND MY DIRECT EXPERIENCES WITH AKC SHOW BREEDERS; I BELIEVE AKC IS NOT A REGISTRY OF INTEGRITY NOR AN ADVOCATE FOR THE WELL BEING OF DOGS. SOME THINGS I WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, AND THAT IS WHY I HAVE CREATED THIS SITE. I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO WAIT TO BREED. IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN ABOUT THE WORLD OF AKC AND DOG BREEDERS. I DON'T BELIEVE ALL THE AKC BREEDERS ARE BAD; BUT I DO BELIEVE THE AKC ORGANIZATION IS THE CAUSE OF MANY OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE EXPERIENCED. MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. THANK YOU FOR VISITING. IT'S NOT ABOUT PUPPY SALES. YOU SHOULD BUY WHAT YOU LIKE, JUST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING INTO.
CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW FOR A GREAT VIDEO! SO TRUE :(
A VIDEO YOU HAVE TO WATCH. UNFORTUNATELY, AKC DOES NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TRY TO REPORT THESE HORRIBLE BREEDERS !
After watching the video above; I couldn't agree any more based on my direct experiences. I know of a breeder who did not register a dog with AKC for two years, therefore, they were not under their power yet AKC suspended them for not opening their records. From what I understand; AKC is "SUPPOSED" to suspend any breeder who refuses to release their records. In this case, it appears that AKC was "RETALIATING" against this breeder because they were not supplying them with the information asked of them. I believe this is how AKC operates based on their actions. Another breeder has had a complaint filed against them questioning the parentage of a ltter. The breeder claimed they did not know where the dogs in question were and AKC was given all kinds of information to support the complaintants allegations. As far as it appears of this date; AKC has not acted against this breeder even though this breeder is supposed to keep records of whom their dogs are sold to and provide them to the AKC when asked. Instead, it seems as if the AKC has given this HIGH VOLUME breeder a pass and they appear to threten or retaliate against anybody who questions them. Funny how the breeder who does not show or provide registrations gets suspended and the one who supplies tons of registrations gets a pass? Hopefully, the AKC will act but somehome based on all the articles on the internet about AKC; I don't have faith they will This are just a few of the reasons I won't register any dogs with the AKC. I don't want anything to do with them, their organization or many of the people involved with it. It is just too bad that many of these people are now migrating to UKC. Not good at all. I think giving the AKC registration money is a complete waste. You might as well wipe your fanny with your money in my opinion. Why would I want to be part of an organization I feel threatened by?
GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN REGARDING DOG SHOWS AND HOW "WORTHLESS" A "CHAMPIONSHIP" REALLY IS. FOLLOW THE MONEY, AGAIN.
quote: " For this, a great many people rely on the American Kennel Club (AKC) for breeder recommendations, operating under the assumption that when the AKC endorses a breeder it means that breeder is taking excellent care of their dogs, following a high health standard, and indeed breeding healthy animals.Evidence is mounting that this is not the case at all, that in fact certification by the AKC means very little, except that the breeder in question has paid a a fee to the AKC. When Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States was asked whether seeing “AKC approved” on a breeders website or facility meant you were getting a healthy, humanely raised dog he said this “Absolutely not. It really is just a piece of paper without any value for dog welfare.”Lillian Devera found this out first hand when she bought a puppy from what she thought was a reputable breeder, with an “AKC-inspected” kennel. Instead she got “A very sick puppy.” The dog had intestinal parasites, an upper respiratory infection and a congenital eye defect, though records showed that the facility had been inspected only weeks before. Law enforcement went in 2 months later and rescued over 20 dogs.This is not an isolated incident. It turns out that the AKC has only 9 inspectors on staff, for the entire United States. When asked, they refused to comment on what percentage of breeders actually get inspected, though they did say they had conducted 55,000 inspections since 2000. The AKC is also known to have opposed laws that would regulate breeders based on the number of dogs they have, and require new standards or inspections. " unquote
Coton de Tulear Breeders Do Not Cotton to the AKC | THE AKC HYPOCRISY? | GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT DOG SHOWS :)
WHY ARE SOME AKC PUPPIES SO EXPENSIVE? ARE THEY BETTER? ABSOLUTELY NOT IN MINE AND MANY OTHERS OPINIONS. SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THOSE BOUGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS AND CAMPAIGNING. THE FOLLOWING WAS WRITTEN BY A SHOW BREEDER EXPLAINING WHY THEIR DOGS COST SO MUCH.
QUOTE: " I DON'T KNOW XXXX, PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT A SALE, A GOOD DEAL, AT THE BARGAIN PRICE! SOME PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE SPENT $50,000.00 PER YEAR (FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS) ON SHOWING THEIR DOG. THAT STUD DOG IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE BUT THE BEST BITCHES. HE MAY SIRE ONLY 3-5 LETTERS IN HIS LIFETIME. YOU DO THE MATH. 5 LITTERS BY 8 PUPPIES = 40 PUPPIES BREEDER KEEPS 2 OUT OF EACH LITTER, SO 30 PUPPIES INTO $150,000.00= $5000.00 PER PUPPY. SO THE TOP AKC BREEDERS GIVE THEIR PUPPIES AWAY AT THE BARGAIN PRICE OF $5000.00! YET THE $500.00 PUPPY BUYERS SWARM YOU WITH CALLS YET NEVER PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THERE MOUT IS! YES PUPPY MILLS ABOUND BECAUSE THE VERY PEOPLE COMPLAINING BUY FROM THEM! " UNQUOTE
AHH, YES, "THE VERY PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM, BUY FROM THEM". FUNNY, THESE ARE THE SAME BREEDERS WHO WILL GO TO GREAT LENGHTS TO GET NON SHOW BREEDER DOGS FINDING ONE OF MANY AKC LOOPHOLES TO GET AROUND HONORING THE ORIGINAL BREEDER'S WISHES LIKE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE BUY THE DOGS FOR THEM. THEY KNOW THAT AKC ONLY HONORS THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. THEY ALSO KNOW IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE BUY THE DOG; THAT PERSON CAN SELL IT TO THEM AND AKC WILL REGISTER IT, WHETHER IT WAS SOLD WITH LIMITED REGISTRATION OR NOT. I FIND IT ODD THAT THEY WANT THESE NON SHOW BREEDER DOGS SO BADLY. SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE VALUE OF AN AKC REGISTRATION IS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY; HOW SLEEZY SOME AKC SHOW PEOPLE REALLY ARE. I FIND IT TO BE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES WITH AKC. HECK, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE PEDIGREE IS CORRECT!
SADLY, BASED ON WHAT SOME OF MY FRIENDS HAVE EXPERIENCED WItH AKC; IT APPEARS THEY WON'T EVEN DO THEIR JOB WHEN THEY ARE PAID TO DO IT. HONESTLY, BASED ON ALL THE DECEPTIVE AND CORRUPTION I HAVE SEEN WITH SEVERAL AKC SHOW BREEDERS; I DON'T SEE ANY ADVANTAGE TO GIVING THEM ONE SINGLE CENT. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THEY SUPPORT ONLY HIGH VOLUME BREEDERS WHOM SOME REFER TO AS "CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS" AND RETALIATE AGAINST THOSE WHO QUESTION THEM.
COULD BUYING AN AKC DOG "COULD" PUT YOU AT RISK FOR THREATS AND SLANDER? I BELIEVE SO. WITH SO MUCH MONEY RIDING ON THE DOGS; A FEW SICK AKC BREEDERS HAVE SET UP SOCIAL MEDIA "HATE SITES" TO KEEP THEIR UNSATIFIED CUSTOMERS SILENT WITH LIES AND SLANDER. I would be happy to share links to these self proclaimed "ELITIIST'S" Facebook "HATE" sites with you so you can see for yourself. I have also compiled a pdf with these "Elitist's" slandering and lying about people around the globe which I would also be happy to share with you. Based on what I have seen it is done all in the name of selling dogs, website products, magazine articles, cards, etc. EMAIL ME FOR PDF OF SCREENSHOTS. Why? I believe it is all about the money; not the dogs. They will threaten to sue anybody who shares their personal experiences with them. One such breeder that breeds more than one breed has been especially untruthful, lying about me and my friends. This person has literally made up lies that I have their dogs in my breeding program and place puppies in shelters among other fabricated stories. This is false. I do not nor do I intend to breed any dog bearing this breeders kennel name. All false, all lies. What they seem to not understand is that I am not their problem, it is their buyers which apparently are not happy. People were emailing me about this breeder long ago and when I was ignoring them. I have asked this person on several occasions to stop cyber stalking me and to just leave me along. I do respect the breeders who are not partaking in this unethical behavior and I and you should take note of the names of those breeders who are participating on these "HATE" sites. Just remember it could be you, their customer next. Think about it. This site is about my experience with AKC breeders and people who make a living off dogs. It is basically a generalization of the characteristics it has taken me seven years to realize. If you ask questions, they will attack you. If you question them, they will attack you. They are a very nasty group of people I.M.O. I believe the root of all these nasty people is the AKC; based on what I have witnessed. Again, just my opinion. I see how they attack people and when it comes right down to it; it's about show competition and dog sales. That is why I won't register my dogs with AKC. After years of seeing all the ins and outs, the ways they slander and lie about people, I refuse to give AKC another dime. It's not about one breeder or another; it's about the whole system that allows them to act like they do.
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES, I BELIEVE THE AKC IS NOTHING MORE THAN A LARGE CORRUPT ORGANIZTION (LIKE WASHINGTON). RECENTLY, SOME GOOD BREEDERS STARTED BOYCOTTING THE AKC. APPARENTLY, THIS IS EFFECTING THE CORPORATE AKC PUPPY MILL BUSINESSES; AND NOW I BELIEVE THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE POISONING THE UKC BY STARTING A UKC CLUB. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND STAYING CLEAR OF BREEDERS WHO ARE "USING BOTH THE AKC AND UKC" TO ENHANCE THEIR DOG BREEDING "BUSINESSES". THEY WILL SLANDER ANY BREEDER WHO DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE HIGHLY CORRUPT AKC.
IS AN AKC CERTIFICATE A GAUARANTEE OF QUALITY OR ACCURACY? GOOD ARTICLE HERE
ARE AKC PAPERS ACCURATE?
IS AN AKC CERTIFICATE OF "PASSING INSPECTION" MEAN ANYTHING? YOU DECIDE. GOOD ARTICLE HERE ABOUT THE SUBJECT.
Here is Another Article
I have found it funny to see how the old saying "what goes around comes around" works. Many of these people starting these "HATE SITES" told me to stay away from one breeder because they were well let's just say a little rough with their wording and they had a reputation for suing everybody. For all the breeders who have been in the breed a long time, you know what I am talking about so you must find these breeders now setting up their "HATE SITES" and threatening to sue their disatified customers amusing! There are at least three breeders in this circle, one in particular to be wary of. I was told from the beginning one was a "puppy mill" by several people. It appears all three do not have jobs. One has made enemies around the globe :). All I can say, it must be stressful trying to make a living off dogs or dog related products. Quite a group!. All very good at deception. Good luck to those who fall for the bait. PLEASE LOOK AT THE NAMES OF THE MEMBERS ON THESE "HATE SITES" and be sure to go to anybody that is not on those list. Remember, it could be you next. I guess they are finding it hard to take what they have been dishing out for years. I saw it a while ago and I haven't been in the breed nearly as long as many. I don't know the entire history because I haven't been in the breed that long, but what from what I have seen; none of it makes sense. First they don't like the breeder because they "supposedly" don't have a contract; now they don't like the breeder because they do have a contract but they don't like it. One has to ask, why do these "Elite" hate mongers want this breeder's dogs if they hate them so much? Why get their dogs in unscrupulous ways and use them in your breeding program? Why not buy your own dogs from overseas or something? The only thing I can figure is they are all NUTS. The "ELITIST" self proclaimed Tibetan Mastiff expert is now friends with people who breed for a living. The "ELITIST" is now friends with people who have 25+ dogs caged in small areas. What makes this different than the people they are slamming? I don't agree with having this many dogs but I do know the person the 'ELITIST" is slamming keeps their 25+ plus dogs in large fenced in areas and they are allowed to be in the house. I don't get this self proclaimed 'EXPERT ELITIST". If you don't agree with things; at least be consistant. These people are good at deception and will slander others with lies. I was at a dog show standing next to this crazy person when their offspring came up and told them quote: "I just threatened to kill x x x x). Shortly before this; this same person told me that somebody had tested them "dead dog" insinuating the person who their offspring threatened wanted to kill their dog. When asked to see the text; I was told it had been accidentally deleted. This would not be the only crazy things to come out of this person's mouth. One of these breeders is now threatening others for exactly what they complain about others for. This particular breeder and this group of three have made many public libelous statements about others that they will be held accountable for. Some of those statements make false accusations of criminal acts like shooting dogs, having sex with dogs, beating them into dementia, and other criminal acts that were never committed. They blame everyone else for their problems. Remember why they do this and follow the AKC money trail. When breeding dogs for competition and a living; people will do anything to protect it.
If you want a great Tibetan Mastiff; go to a small hobby breeder who does not care about showing. This is not to say that all show people are bad; some small breeders like to show and I say good for them; but these horrible busy body AKC "ELITE" breeders seem so obsessed with what everybody else is doing that I believe you are only asking for trouble by even asking their advice. Remember; follow the money. The "Elitists" I am talking about have no jobs so remember "FOLLOW THE MONEY". It's all about recognition for them and money. This is never a good reason to breed dogs. They have all the time in the world to "bash" others and pick pepper off poop so just imagine what they might do to you if they "turn on you". No, I highly recommend staying away from "Elitist" who feel they are better than you and set up social media "HATE SITES" to attack others instead of worrying about their own dogs. These are very scary individuals. I GOT MY FIRST TM FROM A VERY NICE LOW KEY SMALL BREEDER AND I WISH ALL MY EXPERIENCES WERE LIKE THAT. Very down to earth. Not the "ELITE" know it all type at all. Just a guy that loved his dogs and the breed. These "ELITE" breeders are ruining the breed by attacking and making enemies of everybody around the world that love the breed. THEY REALLY NEED TO GET REAL JOBS AND STOP RUINING THE TIBETAN MASTIFF BREED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS AND DEPEND ON THE BREED TO MAKE THEIR LIVING AND FEEL IMPORTANT!
I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THESE SELF PROCLAIMED and SO CALLED "ELITE" BREEDERS HAVE CREATED THEIR "DILEMNA" WITHIN THE TIBETAN MASTIFF BREED BY STICKING THEIR NOSES INTO Everybody's BUSINESS AND SLANDERING PEOPLE INTO BREEDING MORE AND MORE OUT OF SPITE. Because of people like this in the Tibetan Mastiff breed; it is no longer a rare breed. Here are a article explaining the Tibetan Mastiff fad. SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT TWO TIBETAN MASTIFFS, BRED THEM WITHOUT ANY TESTING THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE A TON OF MONEY. NOT SO. THE "ELITIST" AND PEOPLE BREEDIING FOR MONEY HAVE CAUSED A ABUNDANCE OF TIBETAN MASTIFFS IN THE MARKET. PEOPLE CAN'T SELL THEM AND THEREFORE YOU CAN GET THEM REALLY CHEAP. (the ones who are not bred using health tested parents). JUST MY TAKE ON THE WHOLE "SITUATION". THEY WILL ATTACK ANYBODY. EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BREEDING AND JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE. . DILLUSIONAL :(.
*** THESE SELF PROCLAIMED THIS IS WHAT THEY SPEND THEIR DAYS WORRYING ABOUT. ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THEM IS "GET A LIFE AND A JOB". DO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES MONITORING EVERY BODY ELSE.
TIBETAN MASTIFFS AS SERVICE DOGS?
Some breeders advertise Tibetan Mastiffs as service dogs; I would be very skeptical. Talk to breeders who have been in the breed for many, many years. Here is a link that you might find helpful. MEETING AND EXCEEDING THE ADI REQUIREMENTS. PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO NUMBER 9. QUOTE: " The client must abide by the ADI Minimum Standards of Assistance Dog Partners. Prior to placement every service dog must meet the ADI Standards and Ethics Regarding Dogs, be spayed/neutered and have current vaccination certificates as determined by their veterinarian and applicable laws. It is the program’s responsibility to inform the client of any special health or maintenance care requirements for each dog." UNQUOTE WITH SO MANY PEOPLE ABUSING THE SERVICE DOG CERTIFICATION STATUS, BE SURE TO SPEAK "DIRECTLY" TO THE PERSON WHO CERTIFIED TIBETAN MASTIFFS AS SERVICE DOGS. ASK TO SEE THE TRAINERS CREDENTIALS. Tibetan Mastiffs are typically very guard, protective, and aloof. These are probably not the best qualities for a service dog and I would question very carefully those making such claims. I am not an expert by any means, but it would be prudent for anybody to find a breeder who has been in the breed for 20+ years who could answer this question for you. There are a lot of new comers trying to make a name and money for themselves. You never know what claims are true and which are not. Saying a parent is a service dog really means nothing to me as each puppy has a personality of it's own. If by chance, there is a Tibetan Mastiff who is a service dog; it by no means is a guarantee that each and every one of it's offspring will have the same qualities suitable for service dog work. Just my opinions. I have the facts regarding some claims. Unlike these "self proclaimed" ELISTIST BREEDERS, I actually do my research and get the facts. Email me for more info
I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE PUPPY SALES WITH THE INFORMATION ON THIS SITE. I AM NOT A BIG TIME BREEDER; NOR A THREAT TO ANY OTHER BREEDER. I AM NOT BREEDING FOR MONEY, OR THE SHOW RING. I AM NOT ABOUT "CONVINCING" YOU TO BUY A PUPPY FROM ME. I JUST HOPE TO SAVE SOMEBODY ALL THE GRIEF AND HEARTACHE I EXPERIENCED WITH AKC SHOW BREEDERS AND TO BE CAREFUL OF THOSE NOW MIGRATING TO UKC TO BOOST THEIR PUPPY SALES. BUY WHAT YOU LIKE BUT BE CAREFUL. EVERYBODY WILL BE VERY NICE TO YOU. DO YOUR RESEARCH. I HAD NEVER OWNED A"PAPERED" DOG BEFORE. I GUESS I SHOULD CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY :). RECENTLY, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT A COUPLE OF THESE TIBETAN MASTIFF PEOPLE ARE JUST FLAT OUT BAT S _ _ T CRAZY! DID YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HUGE "DILEMMA" WHEN IT COMES TO TIBETAN MASTIFFS? THAT THE SKY IS FALLING ON OUR POOR TIBETAN MASTIFFS AND SOON THEY WILL BE ON THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION? HOLY COW; THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END! WELL CALM DOWN NOW FOLKS. DON'T YOU THINK THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE EXTREME? I CERTAINLY DO. I THOUGHT NATURAL SELECTION WOULD TAKE CARE OF MIS FITS LIKE THIS BUT I GUESS WE WILL JUST HAVE TO LEARN TO IGNORE THOSE STRANGE BEINGS ON THE FRINGE. NO WORRIES, I KNOW ALL THIS IS HARD TO "DIGEST" :) AND HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT I HARDLY THINK THE TIBETAN MASTIFF IS GOING TO GO AWAY SOON. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM OUT THERE. TONS AND TONS! JUST GO TO ALL THE PUPPY Sites AND YOU CAN FIND HOARDS OF EM. THEY ARE NOT A "RARE" BREED ANYMORE; THAT IS FOR SURE. YOU WILL FIND BIG ONES, SMALL ONES, GOLD ONES, RED ONES AND EVERY OTHER COLOR YOU CAN IMAGINE IN A PRICE RANGE THAT FITS YOUR BUDGET. GET EM FOR AS LOW AS THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THESE HIGH VOLUME "CORPORATE BREEDERS". THERE ARE OVER 10 PAGES ON ONE ON-LINE PUPPY SITE ALONE. THE LONGER THEY HAVE THEM, THE LOWER THE PRICE GOES. LOTS OF CHOICES. DON'T LET THE "FEAR MONGERS" WORRY YOU. GET WHAT YOU LIKE AND JUST BE HAPPY. JUST REMEMBER THE TIBETAN MASTIFF IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. THEY ARE A 'GUARD" DOG . THEY TAKE THE JOB OF GUARDING "THEIR" FAMILIES SERIOUSLY AND AS SUCH, NEED TO BE INTRODUCED TO ALL THOSE ENTERING YOUR HOME.
A few breeders self righteous breeders act all offended at those who do not support AKC for good reason. They do not understand the phrases "live and let live" or "do unto others as you would have done to you". They attack anybody who does not agree with them, even if those whom they attack do all the health testing they say should be done. These are the same people who attack others and call their dogs unhealthy yet figure out deceptive ways to get the dogs they say they do not like because they haven't been tested, etc. Several of these people are now forming a UKC TM club. A group of these people have gone to other breeder's homes and lied to them in order to buy dogs from them. Based on the emails I have seen; these are not people I would sell a dog to. If you have to lie to somebody to get something: what good are you? I would never want to be associated with people like that. That says volumes to me about your lack of honesty and integrity. The hypocrisy of these people never ends. They even are friends with those who do not test their dogs while bashing those that do but they do not like. I guess it is called "jealousy". But to me; "jealousy" is ugly no matter how you try to hide it or who you have to attack to defend it. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES, SHOULD NOT BE THROWING STONES.
Here is a quote from one of them: quote "WOW! I cannot believe the drama in the Tibetan world between breeder's am certainly NOT a newbie to breeding and the dog show world, and take offense to those people who are trying to stereotype me into the 'unethical breeders' file because we register our dogs with the AKC! I am appalled and offended at those unethical, 'shit stirring' people that speak to you as a 'friend' when, in fact, are speaking to you only to get information for others.....if someone wants to get information from us, they can contact us themselves! We have nothing to hide and, unlike some others, will be up front! We have only the Tibetan mastiff wellbeing at heart when we plan breedings so as to produce future mentally sound and genetically healthy animals! Yes, in this breed, as well as probably all breeds and species, there are those that do not take into consideration the health of the animals they are producing, breeding bitches that are winning in the show ring, even if those bitches aren't genetically sound, IE. elbow dyspepsia, conceal elbows, ununited elbows, thyroid issues, unsound hips, and even bad temperaments. Likewise, many stud dogs are used that they, too, possess the same, breeding only for looks rather than genetic soundness! This should not be done, but those will never stop this that does not have the Tibetan mastiff itself at heart! To go on line and bash certain breeders over and over, is just not what I will have any part of. We breed and will continue to breed beautiful genetically healthy and sound TM's, registered with the AKC, as this is our choice. If we are not ethical breeders in your eyes, don't deal with us! We reserve the right to approve any puppy buyers' homes as well as who our boys are used on. Because of my disapproval of this kind of behavior going on daily in the TM world, I have been forced to unfriend those that I THOUGHT were my friends!" unquote
THE HYPOCRISY NEVER ENDS :(
PETITION AKC TO REQUIRE DNA PROFILES TO BE PUT ON FILE BEFORE BREEDINGS OCCUR OR DENY REGS - SIGN HERE
BEWARE OF SO CALLED "ELITE" BREEDER SITES. AFTER ALL, WHAT IS AN ELITIST? QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA: "Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect,wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken more seriously or carry more weight; whose views or actions are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
Alternatively, the term elitism may be used to describe a situation in which power is concentrated in the hands of a limited number of people. Oppositions of elitism include anti-elitism, egalitarianism, populism and political theory of pluralism.Elite theory is the sociological or political science analysis of elite influence in society: elite theorists regard pluralism as a utopian ideal.
Elitism also refers to situations in which an individual assumes special privileges and responsibilities in the hope that this arrangement will benefit humanity or themselves. Elitism is closely related to social class and what sociologists call-social stratification. Members of the upper classes are sometimes known as the social elite. The term elitism is also sometimes used to denote situations in which a group of people claiming to possess high abilities or simply an in-group or cadre grant themselves extra privileges at the expense of others. This form of elitism may be described as discrimination." UNQUOTE
I.E. SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS DOWN TO OTHERS, IS CONDESCENDING, AND WILLING TO USE OR ABUSE ANYTHING / ANYBODY WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY.
These opinions are based on my experiences with most AKC show breeders. I have found that a couple of the AKC breeders that are judges are the worst. They never go directly to a breeder as they demand others do. They generally friend people who have other breeders dogs in order to get their lines behind the scenes. I feel that these AKC judges / breeders are very unethical and I personally have found them to be people I would never deal with again. I would much rather deal with an honest person who will go directly to somebody instead of getting their lines unethically and then bashing them behind the scenes. Believe me; these are the ones you want to stay clear of!
I hope by sharing my experiences I can save someone the emotional harm, and stress inflicted upon me by several AKC breeders. Based on my experiences I cannot recommend getting a dog from most AKC TM breeders. I was an unsuspecting newcomer who suffered greatly by believing that "breeder of merit" and judges were a sign of trust. "We got our first Tibetan Mastiff from a nice man nearby and were very happy with our new family member. Then when the breeder died we fostered some of the puppies and somehow got mixed up with a local AKC breeder who gave us what we thought was a wonderful opportunity to "co-own" a dog with them. Little did we know what that meant and the emotional damage we would experience. I recommend non AKC breeders or small "hobby" breeders.
I read it has been said that some of the most unpleasant humans on the face of the earth have been drawn to the breed to protect their own aggressive and hostile reputations and project them onto their exotic charges. This seems to be a very true and sad assessment with the Tibetan Mastiff. We had never owned an AKC registered dog prior to getting our first TM and just by doing what we thought was an act of kindness to a family in need we got sucked into a group of people whom we wish we never met. There are some very long time breeders out there and "corporate puppy mills" that use people for there own advantage and they do not seem to care about the people they hurt in the process.
Here is what I have learned:
Stay away from breeders who are constantly bragging about "championships"
Avoid breeders who breed multiple breeds.
Avoid contracts where you owe puppies back in the future or require showing.
I was mislead into believing all these things were a sign of quality.
Avoid highly inbred lines. This is called C.O.I. (co-incidence of inbreeding) Just search the subject and you can find many articles of explanation.
Avoid certain dogs in pedigrees
Avoid breeders who breed more than one breed and do not incorporate "all" their dogs into their house as family members.
Make sure that both parents have passed their hip, elbow and thyroid testing.
The following links show to what measures people so obsessed with other people's dog are capable of. Dog poisoned at Colorado Dog Show and Dog Poisoned at famed Dog Show. Is this what AKC show scams result in? What kind of person would poison a dog in order to win? Exactly why I want no part of AKC or people like this.
IMPORTANT INFORMATION WHEN RESEACHING BREEDERS
QUESTIONS TO ASK
HOW MANY LITTERS AND HOW MANY BREEDS ARE THEY PRODUCING? TIBETAN MASTIFFS REQUIRE A LOT OF SOCIALIZATION. SOCIALIZATION BEFORE AND AFTER YOU GET THEM IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN PRODUCING A GOOD, STABLE, AND CONFIDENT PUP. DOING WHAT YOU LOVE AND DOING WHAT YOU "HAVE TO DO" REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. BREEDING FOR A LIVING AND BREEDING FOR THE "LOVE OF THE BREED" ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I am not in the "business" of breeding dogs and hope that these suggestions might be able to save somebody else what we went through. Prior to owning our first Tibetan Mastiff we only had rescue dogs. We never had an AKC registered dog. I am sorry to say that I feel the AKC is not an ethical organization at all and will never be able to support them until they can guarantee me as an owner and dog lover; they will police their registry. I don't want my dogs being put at risk to be stolen. The AKC has not proven to me that they care about the dogs. They have also demonstrated to me that they do determine ownership, contrary to what they say. This should be of great concern to anybody with an AKC registered dog. Your rights as an owner seem to be debatable with the AKC.
With so much money riding on show dogs; it is never good. Actually, I find many of these show breeders to be dysfunctional and quite scary. They actually have "their" people contact you to "keep track of you and your dogs". I get erroneous emails from these scary people. They will have others try to buy puppies from you. They will literally "make stuff up" about you and your dogs in order to keep their "dog businesses" going and keep prices up. It is very scary to be involved in any way with these people. They use social media to do their dirty work and cyber stalk you. It is absolutely crazy and the AKC and it's show crowd remind me very much of Washington D.C. and it's "lobbyists". These type of people make it bad for small hobby breeders who try to improve the breed.
Many of the breeders I have met have taught me never to trust people. I know that is a sad and I am sure there may be a few that are good. In the meantime I hope I can help to save somebody else the pain and financial losses I have felt at their hands. I have truly never met a group quite like these Tibetan Mastiff breeders, especially the ones I have dealt with personally. I rented "Best in Show" and found it to be a very accurate depiction of them. Sadly, they all flock together and switch sides when they want to "target" somebody they view as a threat or willing to "speak out" against them and cruelty to animals. You can do everything they say to do; and still be the "bad guy" because you will not play their game and be like them. Block, bash and trash . Honesty always costs you friendships; but I believe it makes it a lot easier to live with yourself and the better person. Having been "around the AKC block", I can tell you that getting an AKC dog is not a guarantee of anything. Bottom line, do your research, don't listen to the "selling spiel", and buy the dog YOU LIKE, not somebody else's opinion based on a worthless AKC certificate. Read on.
Ask to see the dog's registration papers. Who owns the dog? Do they have a job? Is selling dogs what they do for a living? For your own peace of mind I believe you want to be sure the person in possession of a dog; is the person who is on their registration certificate. Personally, I would prefer to know that the owner of a dog is taking care of the dog themselves. I think that shows that they care about their dogs and if it isn't the owner; you want to be sure the dog is not stolen or some other "pyramid" scheme is not going on with the dog. My experiences with people who are breeding for a living have not been good. I feel that not only do the dogs suffer; so does the person who deals with such people. I have found that when a mortgage payment or living depends on a puppy sale; it never is good. People will do unethical things that people who are doing it as a hobby and love for the breed would not do. Money is the root of all evil.
There is no guarantee that the pedigree you receive from AKC is accurate. Some breeders do their own artificial inseminations so they can just find a dog they want and get it's semen, artificially inseminate their dog, and register the dog using one of their puppy registration papers. Believe it or not? AKC does not require any kind of DNA testing or owner signature for permission to register dogs. I know of one instance where they registered a puppy from a breeder that they themselves have suspended! Based on what I have seen, your AKC certificate is a WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER!. Some very unethical breeders I have met know all the ins and outs.
When I say "show" breeders; I am speaking of the "American" Kennel Club breeders. In Europe people show their own dogs and so I am not speaking of European Clubs. I think they would be just as disgusted with the "American Kennel Club" as many people here in America are if they had the same system.
BE WARY OF BREEDERS BREEDING ONE YEAR OLD UNTESTED DOGS!
IT IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL and could be a sign of a puppy mill!
What is the purpose of breeding several breeds and multiple litters? WHY HAVE 25+ DOGS? HOW CAN ONE PROPERLY CARE FOR AND SOCIALIZE 25+ DOGS.
AND CERTAINLY DO NOT PAY $2500.00 - $6000.00 FOR A PUPPY BEFORE YOU RESEARCH THE PEDIGREES! SOME PEOPLE WILL POST A LOWER PRICE AND THEN ASK FOR MORE. BE VERY CAREFUL.
AKC REGISTERS UN-REGISTERED DOGS!
Some breeders are advertising their dogs on for $2500.00 + . The Tibetan Mastiff is no longer a rare breed based on the 10+ pages of litters advertised on Puppyfind and other sites. With such a limited gene pool, most of these puppies have similar pedigrees.
Some people have cautioned friends of mine not to reveal what you know about certain health issues because there is so much "money riding on the dogs" (i.e. AKC showing) Here are a few quotes taken from a person who has a lot of information about Tibetan Mastiffs. They asked people to share:
Quote: "So why would I even have any concern about the introduction of crossbred Chinese dogs into the Tibetan Mastiff gene pool? Simple answer: Deception. I really despise deception. And inaccuracy. I despise that, too. Breeders who crossbreed authentic Tibetan dogs with standardized breeds such as Neapolitan Mastiff, Spanish Mastiff, Chow, Newfoundland, Shar Pei – and then sell the descendants as “Tibetan Mastiffs – are deceiving their buyers. They are lying. And the other thing they are doing is corrupting the pedigree histories of all future descendants of these dogs. Everyone knows that plenty of that has gone on *within* the TM gene pool: Breeders putting the wrong names onto the registrations of pups they produce, either inadvertently because they have multiple litters on the ground at the same time and do not practice good kennel management. Or intentionally because pups registered as by “Champion XXX” (who is sterile) are likely to sell better than pups by his brother who is the actual sire. " and " I'm afraid that most registries are too greedy to look carefully at the validity of the pedigrees being submitted to them. Each one they reject = a financial loss to them...." Unquote.
WHAT IS A SNOW LION TIBETAN MASTIFF? BASICALLY IT IS A COLOR AND NOTHING MORE. KESANG CAMPS STRAY GENIE IS PICTURED BELOW. SHE IS NOT A SNOW LION. HER PARENTS ARE KESANG CAMPS SENGI X KESANG CAMPS NUBIA. NUBIA'S FULL SISTER IS KESANG CAMPS VIKA; NONE OF WHICH ARE CONSIDERED SNOW LION. She does have the "e" cream gene. A geneticist explained the results to me and true cream dogs carry the "e" gene and do not have black anywhere on their coats. Some people will advertise their dogs as "snow lions" just to charge a lot of money.
AKC SHOW WORLD A SCAM? I THINK SO. FOLLOW THE MONEY! AKC is a JOKE. I QUESTION MANY OF THE PEDIGREES AND I BET MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. I WONDER WHAT DNA TESTING WOULD REVEAL. PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THEY DO NOT REQUIRE DNA ON ALL PARENTS OF LITTERS. IT WOULD TAKE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.
MAKING THEIR OWN MAJORS - "DEEP POCKETS" AND THE SHOW WORLD - THE SHOW WORLD ILLUSION. I'm thinking Westminster is just about the money?
When a breeder brings enough of their own dogs to a show where they know there is no competition to make their own major and get a championship for their dog. SCAM! DON'T BELIEVE THEIR MARKETING TOOLS! FOLLOW THE AKC MONEY TRAIL.
GETTING THE DOGS IN FRONT OF JUDGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - "CAMPAIGNERS" (GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT "FOLLOWING THE SHOW WORLD MONEY TRAIL!)
This is when a dog goes for months on end to shows all over the country. Doesn't matter if there is any competition because the purpose is for judges all over the country to "get an eye" on the dog and it's "well connected" handler. That way, when Eukanuba or Westminster comes up; the judges will recognize the handler and most likely that dog will win. It's all about following the money!ARE YOU GETTING A BETTER DOG? BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THE ANSWER IT NO!
Quote from article referenced above:
Quote: "We asked Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States: "If I'm looking to buy a dog and I see it has been AC-inspected, AKC-registered, does that mean I'm getting a good dog?"
"Absolutely not. It really is just a piece of paper without any value for dog welfare," Pacelle told us." UNQUOTE
BEWARE OF AKC BREEDERS/JUDGES - CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS?
PEDIGREE FRAUD – AKC STUD BOOK? and the list goes on and on.
I LIKE OTHERS BELIEVE THAT AKC "CHAMPIONSHIPS" MEAN NOTHING. WITH THE RIGHT HANDLER AND ENOUGH MONEY ANY DOG CAN WIN. BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOW THEIR OWN DOGS. THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT WIN WITHOUT A POLITICALLY CONNECTED HANDLER. I WAS TOLD BY A HANDLER THAT AKC CAME UP WITH A GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP CATEGORY BASICALLY TO KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING AND IF YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR OWN CHAMPION AGAINST A "HANDLER'S DOG" YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NOT WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND NOT THE DOG BASED ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND EXPERIENCED. Be wary of those show breeders who "market" their dogs". Use your eyes! They will go on about a dog's parents and pedigree; but just because a dog had a certain parent does not mean it will be anything like the dog. It all boils down to what you want, not what they try to "sell you". Don't let anybody try to tell you to look for something that really isn't there.
With so much "politics" in showing I cannot really think why anybody would want to enter their dog in a dog show? Based on what I have seen and experienced with all show people it is only about the owner's ego and the money they think it will bring them in the end; not the dog. Seriously, think about what a huge waste of time it is and the fact that Tibetan Mastiffs would much rather be a home, sitting on the couch or in the yard guarding their territory! Why make them do such frivolous activities that they do not even enjoy?
Breeders who are judges? Could politics play a huge part in the AKC? CHAMPIONSHIPSHIPS AND POLITICS. Based on my experiences I believe it is all about the money and those who make it happen. I have seen images that have been photo shopped of Tibetan Mastiffs where the original photo looks nothing like the "enhanced" one. Some show people will do anything to sell their dogs by means of deception. Don't fall for the deceptive "show crowd" who are only interested in "peddling their dogs" any way they can.
You can find many puppies all over the INTERNET for a fraction of the price of these AKC show breeders with similar pedigrees. I think smaller kennels who only produce one breed are far better. I find that the small non AKC breeders are far more ethical and honest. As stated below these are my opinions based on my experiences.
SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT DOG SHOWS
I WAS AT A DOG SHOW THE OTHER DAY AS A SPECTATOR AND I FIND IT VERY AMUSING HOW SOME BIG BREEDERS "PUMP THEMSELVES" UP. THEY WILL GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND REPORT "TO THE FOLLOWERS" HOW THEIR DOGS TOOK BEST OF SHOW, OR BEST OF WINNERS, ETC. WHEN IN REALITY THEY WERE THE ONLY DOG OR BITCH ENTERED IN THEIR CATEGORY. THEN THEY WILL BRING A COUPLE OF THEIR OWN DOGS AND GUESS WHAT? THEY WIN AGAINST THEIR OWN DOG. SILLY ISN'T IT? I THINK SO? DO NOT FALL FOR THE CHARADE OF THE AKC SO CALLED "CHAMPIONSHIP" FARCE. THEY ARE REALLY NOT THE BEST DOGS.
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. I have had to learn from experience because it seems that many of the long time breeders do not want to "mentor" new people; they only want to take advantage of them. When you are on to their game and see the lies; they will trash you immediately to cover up for themselves. Like I said; I do not trust most of them here in the U.S. Only a few.
I think UKC is a much fairer venue. AKC show people will "poo poo" the idea. Perhaps it is because they have to actually show their own dogs. Wow, what a novel idea! My experience with the AKC has been horrible and most of the time I have been confronted by very snooty and condescending people.
ARE YOU PROTECTED AS A DOG OWNER WITH AKC OR IS YOUR DOG BEING PUT AT RISK TO BE STOLEN AS A RESULT OF AKC'S REGISTRATION PROCESS?
GOOD ARTICLES ABOUT AKC
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD HORRIBLE EXPERIENCES WITH THE AKC AND IT'S SHOW PEOPLE. RENT "BEST IN SHOW". I FIND IT TO BE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION WHICH IS A VERY SAD THING INDEED. I HAVE FOUND A DOUBLE STANDARD VERY PREVALENT AMOUNG THE AKC PEOPLE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MY EMAILS, AND NUMBERS OF OTHERS FOR THEIR Experiences. I PREFER THE EUROPEON BREEDERS OVER ALL BUT A FEW NON AKC BREEDERS I HAVE MET HERE IN THE U.S. I APPRECIATE THEM FOR THEIR HONESTY. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN SO MUCH MONEY IS BEHIND THE DOGS, PEOPLE WILL BREED FOR THE RING; NOT HEALTH. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES.
FULL BROTHER AND SISTER BREEDINGS? NO PROBLEM. YOU GOT THE MONEY AND YOU CAN BREED IT; AKC WILL REGISTER IT! PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING OF RESPONSE FROM AKC ABOUT REGISTERING A FULL BROTHER SISTER BREEDING:
QUOTE: Inbreeding - The mating of two closely related dogs of the same breed.
Line breeding - The practice of mating a dog to a member of an earlier generation of the dog's bloodline.
Out crossing: The mating of two dogs of the same breed that are otherwise virtually unrelated.
The relationship between the sire and dam of the litter has no bearing on registration eligibility. Anyone who considers breeding their dog must consider many different factors. Breeding dogs that are closely related can cause certain characteristics, both desirable and undesirable, to be present in the offspring. There is no rule that prohibits inbreeding and line breeding; this is left to the discretion of individual breeders.
To find out more information about responsible breeding, please visit our website at http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/steps_5.cfm. UNQUOTE
PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW FOR A GREAT ARTICLE!
FOLLOW THE MONEY > THE HANDLERS PAY A FEE TO THE AKC > THE HANDLERS GET CLIENTS WHO PAY SHOW ENTRIES > THE VENDORS COME THE SHOWS > PEOPLE STAY IN HOTELS AND EAT IN RESTAURANTS. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD PAY A HANDLER $100.00 + TO HANDLE THEIR DOGS IF THEY ARE NOT WINNING? I HAVE NOTICED THAT OVER IN EUROPE PEOPLE HANDLE THEIR OWN DOGS; MAKING IT A MUCH LEVEL VENUE IN MY OPINION.
AKC HANDLERS - EACH HANDLER PAYS A $250.00 TO BE REGISTERED ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE: http://www.akc.org/handlers/links.cfm DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU CAN WIN AGAINST THE MONEY? Here is an example of what AKC handlers may charge:
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT SHOWS
BUYING A DOG UNDER CO-OWNERSHIP IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BREEDERS. MY CONTRACT WAS BREACHED FOR MERELY SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE THE BREEDER DID NOT LIKE. IF YOU COMPLAIN; TUFF LUCK. TAKE MY ADVICE AND RUN. UNDER ACCORDING TO MY CO-OWNERSHIP I WAS TO BREED TWO LITTERS, GIVE TWO PUPPIES TO THE CO-OWNER AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING, VET, SHOW AND HANDLER FEES. THAT WOULD HAVE TOTALED UP TO APPOX. $7000.00 AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG? SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL TO YOU? IT DID NOT TO ME.
For all of you wondering; do you get points toward an AKC "champion" status by entering in the owner handler division? Why would anybody throw money away like this? It is very insulting to me as to why AKC would assume their membership to be so dumb. This only validates my opinion that the AKC is only in it for the money. Why would anybody give them money to enter shows which have absolutely no value in terms of "championship" points.
"AKC National Owner-Handled Series
AKC National Owner-Handled Series Point Scale
Note: AKC National Owner-Handled Series points do not contribute to championship points.
At an individual show a dog earns the cumulative number of AKC National Owner-Handled Series points associated with each placement. "